Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. You cannot paste images directly. Yeh. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. ).
The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response.
The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded
811B Horns - Technical/Restorations - The Klipsch Audio I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Be sure to try several listening locations. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. I will always love my altecs. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? The sound is very good. The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! Upload or insert images from URL. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing.
altec Makes this a great hobby. Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA It's futile. Oops, looks like you forgot something. Your link has been automatically embedded. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns.
Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Clear editor. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn.
Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? dkalsi $1700 Firm takes all. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart).
Your previous content has been restored. Display as a link instead, Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. would love to hear it. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. Therefore, of course I agree. Pasted as rich text. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Here's the 1953 plans. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful.
Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair
Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala The Khorn bass was better. I have put a lot of Labor I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700.
Modern speakers vs Vintage speakers | What's Best Audio and If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Cant do that with new stuff.
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Altec I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter.
klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I would stick with full fledged horns. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala.
Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters.
You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. You cannot paste images directly. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. Please.
Just something different often sounds better at first. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch
', Sorry for that , but I cant agree .
Klipsch vs Altec - Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. The original K55 is still good enough though. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz.
Klipschorn mid range upgrade I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn???
It will! HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) Naturally, keep all
I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO.
Which midrange horn images the best I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. []. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? The "little" A8 is a sleeper. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! Those wooden horns look very cool. Display as a link instead, Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Are they really that different???
Altec You can post now and register later. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them.
Altec Voice of the Theatre on thevintageknob.org Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. sweet. They all sound good and they're all different. I want him to try them out. ). The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. All of which I've already said in this thread. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. "
Altec A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. I know of several people who have made than change. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years.
Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep.
I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in
Comparing Altecs to I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? They just disappear into the corners! Hell I'd love to have a pair of each.
Altec I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.)
Posted February 9, 2005. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project.
"Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?"
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My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. It would have to be mounted externally. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? Just a fun debate for me. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. You're in denial. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs.
Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M.
It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by
Add to cart. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. You can post now and register later. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Display as a link instead, Upload or insert images from URL. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Just sent an email to my friend. Please check the fields highlighted in red. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Would the mod to your boards be tough? Did he say why (in detail)? For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. Display as a link instead, 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL.
Altec A7 bluesboy Interesting.
Altec i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns.
Vintage Klipsch Heritage vs. Altec Lansing speakers - First Listen Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. The passive and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that.
exactly.
Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best
Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. You won't regret it! It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Paste as plain text instead, I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4
LOL.. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. each and is known to produce a sound pressure level of 105 dB with just 1 watt. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. 2.8k. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. Condition: Used Used.
LaScala AL5 vs Klipschorn AK6 - The big ones The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week.
Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. Bloody awesome info!